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DISCUSSION re Wm 0191-4700 Hugh 7500

The document you provided discusses the relationships and identities of several individuals named William and Hugh Whiteside, specifically focusing on the following questions:

  1. Was William 0191 the father of Hugh 7500?
  2. Was William 4700 the father of Hugh 7500?
  3. Was William 0191 the same person as William 4700?
  4. Was Hugh 4700 the same person as Hugh 7500?
  5. Did William 0191 have a son named William?

Key Points and Inconsistencies:

Wives:

  • William 0191 married Elizabeth (possibly Austin).
  • William 4700 married Janet (possibly Montgomery).

Timelines:

  • William 4700 and William 0191 have overlapping but distinct timelines and locations, raising questions about their identities.
  • Hugh 4700 and Hugh 7500 also have overlapping timelines, but there are gaps and inconsistencies in the records.

Conclusions:

  • The document concludes that all questions remain inconclusive due to inconsistencies and lack of definitive evidence.
  • It is suggested that the land records from 1764 to 1771 likely refer to land owned by William 0191, not a separate William.
  • There is no confirmed evidence of a William Whiteside who was the son of William 0191 or the brother of Hugh 7500.
  • There is no record of William 4700 having a son named William.
What are the gaps

The document highlights several gaps and inconsistencies in the historical records regarding the Whiteside family. Here are the main gaps identified:

Timelines:

  1. William 0191 and William 4700:
    • 1733: William 0191 is mentioned in Prince George Parish, SC, while William 4700 is noted as an elder in Pequa.
    • 1737: William 0191 is a Justice of the Peace in Craven County, Prince George Parish, while William 4700 is an elder (location unspecified).
    • 1738: William 0191 sold land in Prince George Parish, while William 4700 acquired land in Lancaster, PA.
    • 1740: William 0191 is in Georgetown, SC, but there is no information on William 4700.
    • 1745: William 0191 sold land on Black River, SC, but there is no information on William 4700.
    • 1748: William 0191 wrote a will, but there is no information on William 4700.
    • 1750: William 0191 is deceased, but there is no information on William 4700.
  2. Hugh 4700 and Hugh 7500:
    • 1727 or earlier: Hugh 4700 is born (assumed to be 21 or older by 1748).
    • 1738: Hugh 7500 is born.
    • 1748: Hugh 4700 is mentioned in a will, but there is no information on Hugh 7500.
    • 1761: Hugh 7500 purchased land in Chester County, SC, but there is no information on Hugh 4700.
    • 1802: Hugh 7500 is deceased, but there is no information on Hugh 4700.

Inconsistencies:

  • Wives:
    • William 0191 married Elizabeth (possibly Austin).
    • William 4700 married Janet (possibly Montgomery).

Conclusions:

  • The document concludes that the questions about the relationships and identities of William and Hugh Whiteside remain inconclusive due to these gaps and inconsistencies.
  • It suggests that the land records from 1764 to 1771 likely refer to land owned by William 0191, not a separate William.
  • There is no confirmed evidence of a William Whiteside who was the son of William 0191 or the brother of Hugh 7500.
  • There is no record of William 4700 having a son named William.
WILLIAM THE ELDER 0191-4700

The document titled “WILLIAM THE ELDER 0191-4700” provides detailed information about William Whiteside, who was a presbytery elder. Here are the key points and gaps identified in the document:

Key Points:

  1. William Whiteside’s Background:
    • Born around 1690 in England.
    • Died between September 26, 1748, and June 1, 1750, in Little Britain Township, Lancaster County, PA.
    • Married three times:
      • First marriage before 1724 (wife unknown).
      • Second marriage on November 23, 1734, in Philadelphia, PA, to Mary Peterson (questionable).
      • Third marriage to Genet (unknown), possibly his only wife.
  2. Children Mentioned in His Will:
    • Thomas (c. 1724 – 1805, PA) married Margaret Porter.
    • Hugh (c. 1726 – no further information).
    • Mary (c. 1728 – no further information).
    • Abraham (1730? – 1797, PA).
    • A female child (possibly Martha) who died before 1748 and married Benjamin Gailey.
  3. Elder in Presbyterian Churches:
    • 1733: Elder in Pequea, Lancaster County, PA.
    • 1737: Elder in Middle Octorara, Lancaster County, PA.
  4. Land Ownership:
    • 1738: Acquired 330 acres of land in Little Britain Township, Lancaster County, PA.
    • 1744: Granted 300 acres of land.
    • 1745: Surveyed 235 acres of land.
    • 1747: Additional 38 acres surveyed.

Gaps and Inconsistencies:

  1. Marriage Records:
    • The second marriage to Mary Peterson in 1734 is questionable.
    • The possibility that Genet was his only wife.
  2. Elder Positions:
    • Confusion about his role as an elder in different congregations (Pequea and Middle Octorara) and the locations of these congregations.
  3. Land Records:
    • No record of a land grant to William in 1738, which seems to be confused with the 1744 land grant.
    • The only land grant in 1738 was to John Jr. Whiteside in Lebanon Township.
  4. Family Connections:
    • Questions about whether William 4700 is the same individual as the elder William in 1733 in Pequea and in 1737 in Middle Octorara.

Questions Raised:

  • If there were congregations in Chestnut Level and Little Britain, why would William be an elder in Pequea and Middle Octorara?
  • Where was the Pequea congregation located?

Would you like more detailed information on any specific part of the document or further analysis on any of the gaps and inconsistencies?

 SC POSSIBLE CONNECTIONS (1).pdf

The document titled “SOUTH CAROLINA FAMILIES: POSSIBLE CONNECTIONS” outlines potential connections between various Whiteside families in South Carolina. Here are the key points:

Documented Time of Arrival:

  • William 0191: Arrived in South Carolina in 1731.
  • 6200: Arrived in South Carolina in 1738.
  • Hugh 7500: Arrived in South Carolina in 1761.
  • 3400: Arrived in South Carolina in 1785.

Clusters and Locations:

  1. Cluster 1:
    • William 0191: East coast of South Carolina (Georgetown).
    • 6200: East coast of South Carolina (Charleston).
  2. Cluster 2:
    • Hugh 7500: York County, SC (north central, bordering NC).
    • 3400: York County, SC, and Gaston County, NC.
    • 2900: Mecklenburg County, NC (borders York County, SC).
    • 1000/9000: Rutherford County, NC (one county away from York).

Comments:

  1. It is possible that these families are related, although they are spread over three generations and somewhat geographically dispersed.
  2. Unfortunately, there is no documentation that connects any of these families.
  3. 1000/9000 and 3400 are genetically connected, but there are no samples from the other groups.

 POSSIBLE CONNECTIONS 0191-4700.pdf

The document titled “POSSIBLE CONNECTIONS 0191-4700” explores various hypotheses regarding the relationships between different individuals named William Whiteside and their potential connections to other Whiteside families. Here are the key points and hypotheses discussed:

Hypotheses:

  1. William 4700 is the same person as William 0191:
    • Conflicts: If William 4700 was an elder in 1733 and 1737, then it is not possible. If not, then it is possible.
  2. William 0191 is the son of William 4700:
    • Possible, with no contradictions.
  3. William 0191 is the same person as William Whitsitt of the PA Group:
    • Possible, with no contradictions.
  4. Siblings of William (PA Group) are also children of William 4700:
    • Possible, with no contradictions.
  5. Family 6200 is somehow connected to William 0191:
    • Inconclusive. If William 0191 is a brother, then there are conflicts. If William 0191 is a father, then there are conflicts. Other relationships are possible.
  6. There is no connection between William 4700, William 0191, William of the PA Group, and Family 6200:
    • Obviously possible.

Assumed Ancestors:

  1. William 4700:
    • Son of John and Mary (Polk).
  2. William 0191:
    • Ancestor unknown.
  3. William of the PA Group:
    • William Whitsitt/Samuel Whitsitt, ancestors questionable.
  4. Family 6200:
    • Ancestor unknown.

Comparative Information:

  • William 4700:
    • Born around 1690.
    • Married Janet (possibly Montgomery).
    • Elder in Pequea (1733) and Middle Octorara (1737).
    • Acquired land in Lancaster, PA (1738).
    • Died between 1748 and 1750.
  • William 0191:
    • Born around 1700/1710.
    • Married Elizabeth (possibly Austin).
    • In Prince George Parish, SC (1733).
    • Justice of the Peace in Craven County, SC (1737).
    • Sold land in Prince George Parish (1738).
    • In Georgetown, SC (1740).
    • Sold land on Black River, SC (1745).
    • Wrote a will (1748).
    • Deceased (1750).
  • William of the PA Group:
    • Born in 1709.
    • Married Elizabeth (Dawson).
    • First land entry in PA (1750).

Families:

  • Family 4700:
    • Children: Thomas, Hugh, Mary, Abraham, and a female child (possibly Martha).
  • Family 0191:
    • No record of any children.
  • PA Group:
    • Children: William Whitsitt, John Whitsitt, Ralph Whiteside/Whitsitt, James Whiteside, and Elizabeth Whitside.
  • Family 6200:
    • Children: John Whitesides and Thomas Whitesides.

Conclusions:

  • The document explores various possible connections and conflicts between these families, but many questions remain inconclusive due to gaps and inconsistencies in the records.